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Foster parents demand loyalty from their leader
A group of Butler County foster parents had a bone to pick with Michael Fox, the executive director of the county’s children services agency.
On Monday night, June 16 — through tears, anger and eventually applause — they got their chance.
About 25 current and former foster parents showed up to the monthly meeting of the Foster Adoption Support Team to discuss recent statements Fox made that appeared in the JournalNews and on its Web site.
About two weeks ago, the JournalNews featured two stories that related to the business of Butler County Children Services. One included details about an agency investigation into a case of alleged abuse (Read that story here), the other about a new program geared toward family preservation (Read that story here).
Days after the articles were published, Fox sent an e-mail to the Journal News highlighting his desire to keep local children in their biological homes and out of foster care. He cited national statistics, among them that more than 30 percent of foster children reported some form of maltreatment while in foster care. (Read Fox’s e-mail and readers’ responses here.)
“You’re the one making these statements, but we’re the ones out there with this burden,” said Mike Hester, vice president of FAST.
Those in attendance Tuesday said those numbers are not representative of Butler County.
Indeed, they’re not.
Of the 120 total licensed foster homes in Butler County — 60 of which are currently taking children — the agency has only investigated 15 complaints against local foster families. And only one of those has been substantiated, and one is pending, Fox said.
The additional 20 complaints were filed against network homes, or those not directly licensed through the county, Fox said.
“We feel like we’re getting run through the ringer by you,” said foster parent Rob Surber.
Fox defended his actions Tuesday, apologizing to foster parents for what amounted to a room full of hurt feelings about negative portrayals of foster parents at the hands of the leader of children services.
“As long as I’m the executive director, we are going to be accessible and we are going to do some things that you all may not like,” Fox said. “But we are not going to sacrifice the needs of our children.”
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By foster parent
June 17, 2008 2:38 AM | Link to this
First of all, it was Monday evening. Editing department sleeping? lol. Secondly, only one person there asked for loyalty. No one demanded anything. I think what MOST of us want is a director who won’t walk all over the foster parents, but most of all we wanted an apology for some rude comments. It was not the national statistics that bothered us so much; it was the fact that our statistics are NOWHERE near that, yet he did not bother mentioning that because it just don’t sell a story or help him sell his new agenda around BCCS. Also he added in his own uncouth opinions at a couple points in that email/blog. You would think that since even local statistics support that children are at a much higher risk when placed in a ‘network’ home, that Mr. Fox would take more precautions in keeping his ‘county’ foster homes happy. Seeing as how it’s “all about the kids” for him. Mr. Fox has some great ideas for the agency…we just want a little more RESPECT. Walk a mile in our shoes for a moment… Rob SURBERBy Tom
June 17, 2008 2:45 AM | Link to this
While I realize Butler County has very reputable and caring foster parents, Mike Fox has a responsibility to watch over the children and make sure they are safe.By Tom
June 17, 2008 2:45 AM | Link to this
While I realize Butler County has very reputable and caring foster parents, Mike Fox has a responsibility to watch over the children and make sure they are safe.By Jim
June 17, 2008 7:12 AM | Link to this
Is this the same Mike Fox who decided he wanted the children of Butler County to have foster homes in Butler County? So, now, he doesn’t want them in foster care at all. How much are we paying this visionary to be so indecisive? (I mean, before we give him $7,000,000 for his new children’s center.) Good thing he got rid of those incompetent people running children’s Services, huh?By Richard Wexler
June 17, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox has nothing to apologize for. Study after study, done by independent academic experts, has found that, even though most foster parents want to do the best they can for the children in their care, one-quarter to one-third of foster children are abused in foster care itself, and that may even understate the problem. The record of group homes and institutions is worse. The reason official figures are much lower is precisely because they’re official figures – they involve agencies investigating themselves. So there’s a big incentive to see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil and write no evil in the case file. The reporter is mistaken when he says the higher figures don’t apply in Butler County. There is no reason to think Butler County is any better, or worse, than the rest of the country. Even more alarming, a study of 15,000 cases found that, typically, children placed in foster care fared worse than comparably-maltreated children left in their own homes. Anyone who wants to see the citations will find them our website, www.nccpr.org See Issue Paper #1 and the publications “80 Percent Failure” and “The Evidence is In” for details. That doesn’t mean no child ever should be placed in foster care. It does mean that, no matter how good the foster parents are, the removal from the home is so traumatic that foster care is an extremely toxic intervention that should be used sparingly and in very small doses. I doubt the majority of foster parents share the views of those who have posted vile personal attacks in response to Mike Fox’s e-mail. Good foster parents are the first to condemn the abusers in their midst, and they know they have no reason to feel defensive when such abuse is brought to light. Frankly, however, the viciousness of some of the posts in response to Fox’s e-mail make me wonder if some Butler County foster parents have the right temperament for the job. It is not the job of the head of a child welfare agency to be loyal to foster parents – or to birth parents or any other adult. Mike Fox is proving he knows that his first loyalty is to the children. Richard Wexler Executive Director National Coalition for Child Protection Reform www.nccpr.orgBy cat
June 17, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
I agree with Rob — one would think Mr. Fox would take that as an apportunity to brag about our foster parents in Butler Co. — not run them into the ground. Keep up the great work Butler Co. foster parents — you do a job that I know I could not do.By Richard Wexler
June 17, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox has nothing to apologize for. Study after study, done by independent academic experts, has found that, even though most foster parents want to do the best they can for the children in their care, one-quarter to one-third of foster children are abused in foster care itself, and that may even understate the problem. The record of group homes and institutions is worse. The reason official figures are much lower is precisely because they’re official figures – they involve agencies investigating themselves. So there’s a big incentive to see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil and write no evil in the case file. The reporter is mistaken when he says the higher figures don’t apply in Butler County. There is no reason to think Butler County is any better, or worse, than the rest of the country. Even more alarming, a study of 15,000 cases found that, typically, children placed in foster care fared worse than comparably-maltreated children left in their own homes. Anyone who wants to see the citations will find them our website, www.nccpr.org See Issue Paper #1 and the publications “80 Percent Failure” and “The Evidence is In” for details. That doesn’t mean no child ever should be placed in foster care. It does mean that, no matter how good the foster parents are, the removal from the home is so traumatic that foster care is an extremely toxic intervention that should be used sparingly and in very small doses. I doubt the majority of foster parents share the views of those who have posted vile personal attacks in response to Mike Fox’s e-mail. Good foster parents are the first to condemn the abusers in their midst, and they know they have no reason to feel defensive when such abuse is brought to light. Frankly, however, the viciousness of some of the posts in response to Fox’s e-mail make me wonder if some Butler County foster parents have the right temperament for the job. It is not the job of the head of a child welfare agency to be loyal to foster parents – or to birth parents or any other adult. Mike Fox is proving he knows that his first loyalty is to the children. Richard Wexler Executive Director National Coalition for Child Protection Reform www.nccpr.orgBy Former Foster Parent
June 17, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
The main reason why we decided to stop fostering in Butler County was due to the slandering of foster parents made by Mike Fox and the media. My husband and I fostered for 5 years at BCCS. We had wonderful caseworkers and agency workers. The agency personnel treated us wonderful. Then Mike Fox was put in by the “good ole boys,” and then everything changed. We are not criminals. 99% of foster parents in our county are wonderful, caring parents who are doing it for the sake of the children. If you want to talk about the negative 1%, think about the bigger percent of birthfamilies who have abused and killed their biological children. Foster parents deserve the respect and admiration that they should get. How are you going to recruit foster parents when you are talking about them like trash? A friend of mine is in the process to become a foster parent. She lives in Butler Co. but is going to be licensed in a private agency about an hour away because she doesn’t want to deal with Butler County. Something to think about!!!By Former Foster Parent
June 17, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
The main reason why we decided to stop fostering in Butler County was due to the slandering of foster parents made by Mike Fox and the media. My husband and I fostered for 5 years at BCCS. We had wonderful caseworkers and agency workers. The agency personnel treated us wonderful. Then Mike Fox was put in by the “good ole boys,” and then everything changed. We are not criminals. 99% of foster parents in our county are wonderful, caring parents who are doing it for the sake of the children. If you want to talk about the negative 1%, think about the bigger percent of birthfamilies who have abused and killed their biological children. Foster parents deserve the respect and admiration that they should get. How are you going to recruit foster parents when you are talking about them like trash? A friend of mine is in the process to become a foster parent. She lives in Butler Co. but is going to be licensed in a private agency about an hour away because she doesn’t want to deal with Butler County. Something to think about!!!By Matt Hurley
June 17, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
No offense to Mr. Wexler and his “expert” opinion and title, but Butler County’s numbers are NOT national numbers. National statistics should not be taken as the default position in our community, Mr. Wexler. Our community takes pride in the way we treat children. Your National Coalition doesn’t know jack about our community and I suggest that you take your opinions and stick them somewhere else until you do.By Matt Hurley
June 17, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
No offense to Mr. Wexler and his “expert” opinion and title, but Butler County’s numbers are NOT national numbers. National statistics should not be taken as the default position in our community, Mr. Wexler. Our community takes pride in the way we treat children. Your National Coalition doesn’t know jack about our community and I suggest that you take your opinions and stick them somewhere else until you do.By Matt Hurley
June 17, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
No offense to Mr. Wexler and his “expert” opinion and title, but Butler County’s numbers are NOT national numbers. National statistics should not be taken as the default position in our community, Mr. Wexler. Our community takes pride in the way we treat children. Your National Coalition doesn’t know jack about our community and I suggest that you take your opinions and stick them somewhere else until you do.By Matt Hurley
June 17, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wexler knows even less about Mike Fox than he does our community. Does Mr. Wexler also represent the National Coalition to Protect Mike Fox?By JMB
June 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox is only trying to cover his butt. His only goal is to keep this job and he knows he will and should be fired if a child is fatally hurt under his watch. Let’s face it he is incompetent and should never have been “given” the job. His goal has always been to last three years to maximize his retirement.By JMB
June 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox is only trying to cover his butt. His only goal is to keep this job and he knows he will and should be fired if a child is fatally hurt under his watch. Let’s face it he is incompetent and should never have been “given” the job. His goal has always been to last three years to maximize his retirement.By JMB
June 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox is only trying to cover his butt. His only goal is to keep this job and he knows he will and should be fired if a child is fatally hurt under his watch. Let’s face it he is incompetent and should never have been “given” the job. His goal has always been to last three years to maximize his retirement.By JMB
June 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox is only trying to cover his butt. His only goal is to keep this job and he knows he will and should be fired if a child is fatally hurt under his watch. Let’s face it he is incompetent and should never have been “given” the job. His goal has always been to last three years to maximize his retirement.By JMB
June 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Mike Fox is only trying to cover his butt. His only goal is to keep this job and he knows he will and should be fired if a child is fatally hurt under his watch. Let’s face it he is incompetent and should never have been “given” the job. His goal has always been to last three years to maximize his retirement.By sharon
June 17, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
I am thankful for Mike Fox and his ideas for a better Childrens Services. We are still reeling from a broken heart over Marcus Fisel death. Him trusting gownups and no one being there for him. Ideas to maybe help his mother be a better parent. Maybe Marcus wouldn’t have died. We want to thank foster families for all they do but if we can help children stay in their own homes, if possible, it is better for everyone.By No truth
June 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
I grew close to a child that was being fostered by a member of my family. He and two sisters were taken out of the home for neglect and abuse. He nor his sisters wanted to return to their biological home. They feared for their life. He even told us his dad had threatened to kill him. He had beat the child with a baseball bat previously. After a year in foster care, BCCS returned him to the care of his “loving” father (since we all know the biological home is ALWAYS the best place for the children). A few months later he was dead. His father “accidentally”ran over him with a work truck. No witnesses, no proof of deliberate intent. Dad is a free man, son is 6 feet under. He was a great young man, very promising. Returned to his biological home against his wishes, didn’t live to tell about it.By No truth
June 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
I grew close to a child that was being fostered by a member of my family. He and two sisters were taken out of the home for neglect and abuse. He nor his sisters wanted to return to their biological home. They feared for their life. He even told us his dad had threatened to kill him. He had beat the child with a baseball bat previously. After a year in foster care, BCCS returned him to the care of his “loving” father (since we all know the biological home is ALWAYS the best place for the children). A few months later he was dead. His father “accidentally”ran over him with a work truck. No witnesses, no proof of deliberate intent. Dad is a free man, son is 6 feet under. He was a great young man, very promising. Returned to his biological home against his wishes, didn’t live to tell about it.By No truth
June 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
I grew close to a child that was being fostered by a member of my family. He and two sisters were taken out of the home for neglect and abuse. He nor his sisters wanted to return to their biological home. They feared for their life. He even told us his dad had threatened to kill him. He had beat the child with a baseball bat previously. After a year in foster care, BCCS returned him to the care of his “loving” father (since we all know the biological home is ALWAYS the best place for the children). A few months later he was dead. His father “accidentally”ran over him with a work truck. No witnesses, no proof of deliberate intent. Dad is a free man, son is 6 feet under. He was a great young man, very promising. Returned to his biological home against his wishes, didn’t live to tell about it.By NOT TELLINGING PUBLIC TRUTH IN REGARDS TO BCCCB
June 17, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
IN REGARDS TO MIKE FOX SAYING HE WANTS TO KEEP KIDS IN THEIR BIOLOGICAL HOMES.THIS IS NOT TRUE.I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE KIDS IN DANGER,BUT I FEEL THAT ITS A CROCK OF BULL THAT BCCCB EMPLOYEES JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS,TAKING KIDS FOR NO REASON.IT TAKES THEM 5 MIN. TO TAKE SOMEONES KIDS WHEN THEY HAVE DONE NO WRONG.BUT BCCCB CAN TAKE HOWEVER LONG OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO NOT GIVE YOUR KIDS BACK.I KNOW THIS IS TRUE.BCCCB NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN.THE TAX PAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THESE SO CALLED CASEWORKERS TO GO TO SCHOOL AND TELL YOU HOW TO RAISE YOUR KIDS.I WISH IT WAS THAT EASY FOR ME.EVERY KID IS DIFFERENT AND THERE IS NO BOOK OR WHATEVER TO TELL YOU WHAT TO EXPECT TO RAISE YOUR KIDS.THEN YOU GOT THESE NOSY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THEIR LIFE SO THEY GOT TO SIT THERE AND CALL ON PEOPLE.IF YOU ,MAKE SOMEONE MAD,THEY CALL ON YOU EVEN IF IT IS PROVEN FALSE THEY HOLD IT AGAINST YOU.NO MATTER WHAT.LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN BCCCB ALOT OF THEM ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER.OKAY AND THEY ARE OVER SEEING THE KIDS.MAKES ME WONDER.SOME FOSTER HOMES DO NEGLECT THE KIDS BUT NOT ALL.I HAVE SEEN THIS WITH MY OWN EYES.PEOPLE CAN SEE BCCCB THE WAY THEY WANT EVERYONE HAS THEIR RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION.BUT MINE WILL NEVER CHANGE.By NOT TELLINGING PUBLIC TRUTH IN REGARDS TO BCCCB
June 17, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
IN REGARDS TO MIKE FOX SAYING HE WANTS TO KEEP KIDS IN THEIR BIOLOGICAL HOMES.THIS IS NOT TRUE.I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE KIDS IN DANGER,BUT I FEEL THAT ITS A CROCK OF BULL THAT BCCCB EMPLOYEES JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS,TAKING KIDS FOR NO REASON.IT TAKES THEM 5 MIN. TO TAKE SOMEONES KIDS WHEN THEY HAVE DONE NO WRONG.BUT BCCCB CAN TAKE HOWEVER LONG OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO NOT GIVE YOUR KIDS BACK.I KNOW THIS IS TRUE.BCCCB NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN.THE TAX PAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THESE SO CALLED CASEWORKERS TO GO TO SCHOOL AND TELL YOU HOW TO RAISE YOUR KIDS.I WISH IT WAS THAT EASY FOR ME.EVERY KID IS DIFFERENT AND THERE IS NO BOOK OR WHATEVER TO TELL YOU WHAT TO EXPECT TO RAISE YOUR KIDS.THEN YOU GOT THESE NOSY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THEIR LIFE SO THEY GOT TO SIT THERE AND CALL ON PEOPLE.IF YOU ,MAKE SOMEONE MAD,THEY CALL ON YOU EVEN IF IT IS PROVEN FALSE THEY HOLD IT AGAINST YOU.NO MATTER WHAT.LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN BCCCB ALOT OF THEM ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER.OKAY AND THEY ARE OVER SEEING THE KIDS.MAKES ME WONDER.SOME FOSTER HOMES DO NEGLECT THE KIDS BUT NOT ALL.I HAVE SEEN THIS WITH MY OWN EYES.PEOPLE CAN SEE BCCCB THE WAY THEY WANT EVERYONE HAS THEIR RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION.BUT MINE WILL NEVER CHANGE.By Name
June 17, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
Okay, first of all it’s BCCSB not CB, secondly if you can’t get your kids back w/ Mike Fox in office…then you don’t NEED them back! And lastly, we know that SOME foster homes neglect their children- but it’s not COUNTY homes, it’s NETWORK homes…there’s a difference. To address the last point, Mike Fox is the only one under investigation over there. The place has some awesome caseworkers, if you are having a bad experience with them then you’re probably not working a caseplan or cooperating in any way.By FIX-It
June 17, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
Let’s see…Michael Fox, guardian of truth, justice and the American way? Does that exclude the ongoing Dynus investigations and a myriad of other shady deals which made life as a commissioner impossible? I would not entrust a stray dog to his care, let alone let him decide the fate of children. Good for the foster parents! How much experience does he have in children’s services again?By emaleth
June 17, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
My sister and brother-in-law are “foster parents” and any child that spends time with their family is the better person for it! Just because one can produce a child doesn’t make them a parent! There are those that should never have children! My sister and her husband open their home and their hearts to these children and after a time these children are returned to parents (usually a parent!) who’s only motivation for getting their child back is to continue getting money from the state or so they cn say in their “circles” that their “child is no longer in foster care”! The childs best interest should be the only concern in these situations and sometimes being in “foster-care” is the best situation for the child, not the biological parent!By T
June 17, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
I am a BCCS foster parent. I was told recently that Mike claims he has a PHD in common sense. Common sense tells you, you don’t leave kids or put kids back in these sad situations. Go back to school Mike and get a real PHD! I second the opinion that if you want to be a Foster parent don’t go through Butler County!By T
June 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
I am a BCCS foster parent. I was told recently that Mike claims he has a PHD in common sense. Common sense tells you, you don’t leave kids or put kids back in these sad situations. Go back to school Mike and get a real PHD! I second the opinion that if you want to be a Foster parent don’t go through Butler County!By Caseworker
June 17, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
I am a caseworker at Butler County Children Services. I applaud Mr. Fox’s intent to prevent children from being placed into foster care and reunifying the children as soon as they can safely be returned home. In most circumstances, the children fare better when services can be provided to their parents, while keeping the children in their own homes and families. There are no absolutes or crystal balls, and the decision to place a child in substitute care needs to be based on individual circumstances and merit. I have seen both sides of this coin….children who were removed from their own home and placed in foster care and children who are now facing adoption. Often, by the time the child needs a permanent home, due to not being able to be reunified with their families, the children have developed serious behavior and mental health problems, which make it difficult to find a good adoptive home. Granted, this is not all due to being in foster care, but I have often wondered how much worse the children would have fared, had they remained in their own home with supportive services. I honestly don’t think that Mr. Fox’s comments were directed at the foster parents of Butler County, as much as he was providing statistics to support the reasons that foster care is often not in the child’s best interest. We have a great many success stories with Butler County foster parents, as well as network foster parents. A big “Thank You” to all foster parents who are dedicated to making a difference in the life of a child.By Caseworker
June 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
I am a caseworker at Butler County Children Services. I applaud Mr. Fox’s intent to prevent children from being placed into foster care and reunifying the children as soon as they can safely be returned home. In most circumstances, the children fare better when services can be provided to their parents, while keeping the children in their own homes and families. There are no absolutes or crystal balls, and the decision to place a child in substitute care needs to be based on individual circumstances and merit. I have seen both sides of this coin….children who were removed from their own home and placed in foster care and children who are now facing adoption. Often, by the time the child needs a permanent home, due to not being able to be reunified with their families, the children have developed serious behavior and mental health problems, which make it difficult to find a good adoptive home. Granted, this is not all due to being in foster care, but I have often wondered how much worse the children would have fared, had they remained in their own home with supportive services. I honestly don’t think that Mr. Fox’s comments were directed at the foster parents of Butler County, as much as he was providing statistics to support the reasons that foster care is often not in the child’s best interest. We have a great many success stories with Butler County foster parents, as well as network foster parents. A big “Thank You” to all foster parents who are dedicated to making a difference in the life of a child.By Iraq Veteran
June 17, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this
First, I want to thank all the foster parents in Butler County, without you guys, myself and many more like me wouldn’t be who or where we are today. I think Mr. Fox’s statements are wrong. I spent 12 years in BCCS until I was adopted in 2000 by my parents, who i had been with for 8 years. The 4 years prior to them, I was in and out of a home almost every month. So in 4 years I easily made it to 30 diffrent foster homes, and I NEVER was subjected to abuse in anyway. I dislike the way the system is set up, and I feel from personal experience, that the national average of abuse in foster homes is wrong. I have known kids who get irratated at their foster parents, and come up with a lye, about how they abuse them. I have seen great people get in a lot of trouble becuase of a troubled teen who is mad and knows how the system works. The system needs to change, and it needs to change fast, or many of the parents I know, from growing up will leave, and what will that do to the kids?By Dave V.
June 18, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Children experience abuse and neglect in their birth homes FAR more often than in foster or kinship homes. Foster parents are “professional parents”. If Director Fox has 1 case of substantiated abuse in one of his foster homes, how does that compare to substantiations in regular “birth” homes in Butler County? I don’t understand how Mike Fox can be a director of a county children’s services agency when he doesn’t believe in the idea of removing custody of children to put them in to a safer home. What he is more concerned about: child safety or the rights of birth parents? If he was more concerned with child safety, he would emphasize statistics of child abuse in “birth” homes and how much higher it is than in professional foster homes — network homes and county homes. The last thing Ohio and Butler County needs is a de-emphasis on foster parents. Director Fox’s actions are not going to help his county’s need of recruiting more foster parents.By statecourierwaterheaterSl
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